Group A eligibility

[conrod]

Hi guys,

Firstly congratulations on the great effort in putting this organisation together, I have fond memories of watching these cars race back in the day, and although I enjoy watching V8SC I cannot see them ever having the same appeal or value in years to come as historic race cars.

This organisation has no doubt boosted the values of these cars, by giving them somewhere to race, and provides a lot of spectator appeal in the process, not to mention giving the owners a lot of fun in the process.

I am looking for a bit of clarification on this point, can someone point me in the right direction or provide me an answer please?
For the Group A cars that you race with this is what the constitution states:

"The association has also included in its ranks the Group A era to 1989 which, like Group C, includes some truly diverse vehicles as well as continuing the class structure. Again these cars are original vehicles and the opportunity to race in this class has saved many of them, like the Group C cars, from an ignoble end to their racing careers. These cars when running are as “invited” vehicles and certainly will add to the spectacle of the racing. "

Gp.A pretty much finished in 1989, so I understand that part. Australia then alowed a number of cars to run,some BASED on Gp.A (GTR Skyline, Sierra) some on DTM (the M3's) and some to a local homologation (Commodore/Chev)

Does this mean that all cars that ran in Australia from 1989 to 1993, such as the Nissan Skylines GTR's, BMW M3's, post 89 Sierras, etc. are not eligible to run?

Also, I have been told (but can't find it written anywhere) that these cars must run in the original livery, must have race in Australia in the Gp.A/C period and must run exactly to the specification of the respective year it ran - correct??

The reason I am asking is that I am looking at buying a car that falls into this (1989-1993) category and would certainly like to bring it over there for a skid if the opportunity exists.

I look forward to your comments on these points.:)


thanks
Conrad Timms

[Dylan Innes]

Hi guys,

Firstly congratulations on the great effort in putting this organisation together, I have fond memories of watching these cars race back in the day, and although I enjoy watching V8SC I cannot see them ever having the same appeal or value in years to come as historic race cars.

This organisation has no doubt boosted the values of these cars, by giving them somewhere to race, and provides a lot of spectator appeal in the process, not to mention giving the owners a lot of fun in the process.

I am looking for a bit of clarification on this point, can someone point me in the right direction or provide me an answer please?
For the Group A cars that you race with this is what the constitution states:

"The association has also included in its ranks the Group A era to 1989 which, like Group C, includes some truly diverse vehicles as well as continuing the class structure. Again these cars are original vehicles and the opportunity to race in this class has saved many of them, like the Group C cars, from an ignoble end to their racing careers. These cars when running are as “invited” vehicles and certainly will add to the spectacle of the racing. "

Gp.A pretty much finished in 1989, so I understand that part. Australia then alowed a number of cars to run,some BASED on Gp.A (GTR Skyline, Sierra) some on DTM (the M3's) and some to a local homologation (Commodore/Chev)

Does this mean that all cars that ran in Australia from 1989 to 1993, such as the Nissan Skylines GTR's, BMW M3's, post 89 Sierras, etc. are not eligible to run?

Also, I have been told (but can't find it written anywhere) that these cars must run in the original livery, must have race in Australia in the Gp.A/C period and must run exactly to the specification of the respective year it ran - correct??

The reason I am asking is that I am looking at buying a car that falls into this (1989-1993) category and would certainly like to bring it over there for a skid if the opportunity exists.

I look forward to your comments on these points.:)


thanks
Conrad Timms


Conrad,

CAMS 5th catergory Historic, of which cars come under for Group A includes Group A cars from 1 Jan 1984 to the 31 December 1992, international Group A are also included.

I think you will find that the 1989 cut off date is part of the Group C Associations constitution for eligible membership

see link to the CAMS web site for further info

http://www.cams.com.au/Sport/Historics/Historic%20Groups.aspx

Regards

Dylan

[conrod]

Thanks Dylan,

that rules me out for now!

cheers Conrad

[Admin]

Conrad,

The Association welcomes Group A cars up to the end of 1992 with no differentiation on membership status. The section you have quoted is from the original constitution drafted in the late 90's which has since been updated to include Group A as they are now 5th category historic.

Re livery & mechanical spec, have a read of the CAMS regulations here:

http://www.groupc.org.au/forums/showthread.php?p=38#post38

Because both Grp C & A are 5th category historic, to race the cars you need to apply for a Certificate of Description & Historic logbook from CAMS. When you apply for a CoD, you specify a particular competition event in the cars history, and prepare the car to the mechanical spec and signage of that meeting.

In summary, if you're looking at buying a Group A car, as long as it has documented race history (and obviously it's the right car) then you're welcome to apply for a CoD and come historic racing with us.

Rgds, Nev

[David Paterson]

If you have a Group A BMW M3 evo that raced in DTM in 1992 and ATCC in 1993, can you race it in historic Group A?

[David Towe]

I would think you could as long as the car was in Group A homologated trim with proven race history in that trim.