Historic Sandown 2010

[Bill Cutler]

Folks, as you know this year is the 50th anniversary of the ATCC, and at Sandown this year we are giving the meeting a definite Touring Car flavour. We are hoping for bumper fields for all the Touring Car grids.

To recreate some of the action of the "Hang Ten" and "Castrol" era, we are throwing around ideas for Grp C/A, such as a compulsory pit stop during one of the races.

The idea would be to have a normal start, then open the pits between say lap 3 and 7 of a 10 lap race.

Each car would need to come into the pits (once) and do one of the following:
a) lift up the car on the air jacks, down again, then go (does everyone have functioning air jack systems, bottles, air lines etc ???)
b) open the bonnet, close it, and go
c) remove a velcro "sash" from a side window
d) any other suggestions...?

I dont think removing wheels etc is a good idea due to time/safety/equipment considerations, but some sort of activity during the "pit stop" would be good.

I would be pleased to get some thoughts

Thanks

Bill

[Fast Eddie]

Bill,

How about a 30min mini enduro race with a compulsory drive through and 60 sec hold?

Regards

Ed

[Rod Markland]

Bill I think that 10 laps is too short a race for a pit stop I believe that you would need at least 15 laps and possiably more. Also opening the bonnet is a bit risky how about a velcro sash in the boot.

[small bangers]

60 sec hold is not a good idea with a hot car being stationary that long.

A sash is very easily removed and would hardly require the car to stop whilst this is done. If the idea is to stop the car and bring in some element of skill and activity, why not have the sash relocated from the front of the car and fitted to the rear of the car (activity) in the same pit stop? If a car returns to the pits without the sash at the end of the race it is DSQd (skill). Remove from the front and fit to the rear gets crew away from the car as it makes its' way back out onto the track lessening the chances of running someone over. Fit the sash on the front bumper off centre towards the pit garage side of the car meaning the repositioning crew member will go that side and stay away from passing traffic in pit lane. This is also fair on those of us without air jacks.

Isn't it funny! Our cars were built to do 1000 kms and we have been dished up such short races that we now consider 30 mins to be a "mini enduro". I know you'd like more laps and are more than capable of doing it, I'm not having a go at you Ed, just making an observation. The longer the race the more I like it.

[Bill Cutler]

These are great comments guys, thanks.

Scheduling a 25 - 30 min (20 lap?) race would be possible, but it would probably mean not having the Sunday morning 6 lapper, or maybe cutting it back to 4 laps.

Would anyone have fuel tank size problems with a 20 lap race?

Lets keep working on it !

Bill

[GMSEXA]

This sounds like a great idea. I run a Audi R8 in the GT series an have a couple of hour races where we have to come in for a 60 sec pit stop and can change tyre's if we require. This mixes things up on the track which can be good and bad (fast cars around slower ones). I think getting a crew member involved would be good, maybe cleaning windows, pressure tyres, which all could be done in a 60 sec stop. The down fall is some cars may get warm sitting, but if they did it back then why couldn't they do it now even if the car was to be turned off. If this happens it should be a great show. Fuel tank size i think most should be ok as they were made to run long races.

[Rod Markland]

These are great comments guys, thanks.

Scheduling a 25 - 30 min (20 lap?) race would be possible, but it would probably mean not having the Sunday morning 6 lapper, or maybe cutting it back to 4 laps.

Would anyone have fuel tank size problems with a 20 lap race?

Lets keep working on it !

Bill

Bill someone rang me from Sandown and sugested that we may have a 5 lap race on Sunday then a top 10 shootout and a 15 to 20 lap race on Sunday afternoon, do you know about this or has the plan changed.

[Bill Cutler]

Jeez Rod, whoever rang you obviously doesn't put the schedule together...

Anyway that's the sort of thing we want to run, given that it is the 50th anniv of the ATCC

Bill

[Fast Eddie]

These are great comments guys, thanks.

Scheduling a 25 - 30 min (20 lap?) race would be possible, but it would probably mean not having the Sunday morning 6 lapper, or maybe cutting it back to 4 laps.

Would anyone have fuel tank size problems with a 20 lap race?

Lets keep working on it !

Bill

Make it 33 laps and we can call it the "Sandown 100"

[Adrian Brady]

Bill, the longer the better.... the BMW 635's were always slow starters. How many laps can you get out of a 110 litre tank? Cheers Adrian.

[lindsay]

Dont worry about the bloody car, I'll be ready for a cuppa and a lie down after that!

Lindsay

[small bangers]

You'll be right big fella

[GMSEXA]

looks like we will all have to go on a fitness kick. I know i will!!!

[DAVIDH]

This is an excellent idea Bill,

Can I propose the following for consideration to give all competitors a go......

Under 3 ltr group C cars could be allowed not to have a pit stop.
Under 2 ltr group A cars could also be allowed not to have a pit stop.
Group C over 3 ltr to have a 45 sec pit stop.
Group A over 2 ltr to have a 60 sec pit stop.
and just because we can,
the Nissan GTR's and Sierra's should be made to have 2 stops !

Cheers.

[tatey]

This is an excellent idea Bill,

Can I propose the following for consideration to give all competitors a go......

Under 3 ltr group C cars could be allowed not to have a pit stop.
Under 2 ltr group A cars could also be allowed not to have a pit stop.
Group C over 3 ltr to have a 45 sec pit stop.
Group A over 2 ltr to have a 60 sec pit stop.
and just because we can,
the Nissan GTR's and Sierra's should be made to have 2 stops !

Cheers.

Dave fantastic idea totally supported.

[troy stapleton]

Maybe the Mini Cooper S should have a lap or two head start!
ha ha.

[Rod Markland]

This is an excellent idea Bill,

Can I propose the following for consideration to give all competitors a go......

Under 3 ltr group C cars could be allowed not to have a pit stop.
Under 2 ltr group A cars could also be allowed not to have a pit stop.
Group C over 3 ltr to have a 45 sec pit stop.
Group A over 2 ltr to have a 60 sec pit stop.
and just because we can,
the Nissan GTR's and Sierra's should be made to have 2 stops !

Cheers.

David maybe the Nissans can run backwards to give the Holdens a chance

[Coolvet]

Has the format for this Historic Sandown event been finalised yet? What is proposed?

[TONY PALLAS]

All the race formats sound good and it will be nice to do something different.
The sash on the guard is possibly the safest way to go as not everyone has air jacks,most of us don't have pit crews or professional helpers so opening bonnets or removing wheels in a hurry is most unsafe for us as well for our friends on the track at the same time with bonnets flying up and wheels falling off as this happens at the best of times.
Is there any numbers yet of who is attending the meeting
See you all there
Tony Pallas

[Coolvet]

All the race formats sound good and it will be nice to do something different.
The sash on the guard is possibly the safest way to go as not everyone has air jacks,most of us don't have pit crews or professional helpers so opening bonnets or removing wheels in a hurry is most unsafe for us as well for our friends on the track at the same time with bonnets flying up and wheels falling off as this happens at the best of times.
Is there any numbers yet of who is attending the meeting
See you all there
Tony Pallas

Hi Tony,
Where did you read about the formats? Has something been published on this?

[small bangers]

Post no. 1 Carey. Suggestion for pit stop formats only.

[Coolvet]

Post no. 1 Carey. Suggestion for pit stop formats only.

Cheers David. I just wondered if they had made a definitive ruling on the format to be used.

[nkracing]

[the safest pistop would be for the car to come in the driver to get out of the car and get back in that way there can be no mistake made by pit crew




QUOTE=Bill Cutler;1169]Folks, as you know this year is the 50th anniversary of the ATCC, and at Sandown this year we are giving the meeting a definite Touring Car flavour. We are hoping for bumper fields for all the Touring Car grids.

To recreate some of the action of the "Hang Ten" and "Castrol" era, we are throwing around ideas for Grp C/A, such as a compulsory pit stop during one of the races.

The idea would be to have a normal start, then open the pits between say lap 3 and 7 of a 10 lap race.

Each car would need to come into the pits (once) and do one of the following:
a) lift up the car on the air jacks, down again, then go (does everyone have functioning air jack systems, bottles, air lines etc ???)
b) open the bonnet, close it, and go
c) remove a velcro "sash" from a side window
d) any other suggestions...?

I dont think removing wheels etc is a good idea due to time/safety/equipment considerations, but some sort of activity during the "pit stop" would be good.

I would be pleased to get some thoughts

Thanks

Bill[/QUOTE]

[small bangers]

[the safest pistop would be for the car to come in the driver to get out of the car and get back in that way there can be no mistake made by pit crew


Not true Nick! Humans are clever things, they can screw up anything especially doing up belts in a hurry.

[nkracing]

mmmmm all our races in production car have pit stops and maybe take that for granted with all the work the boys do hope it works out what you guys come up with



Not true Nick! Humans are clever things, they can screw up anything especially doing up belts in a hurry.