Graded Historic Logbooks & C of D's

[Rowan Harman]

Originally Posted by Rowan Harman

Originally Posted by Frank Binding
Dave
I disagree, the greatest flaw in the new system is that it allows cars with suspect history or even worse, cars that have been reshelled out of the period into the system and as we all know that in the case of touring cars the shell is the car. I believe that the new system very convieniently allows the coverup of some very bad decisions that have been made in the past, and I might add by the very people who should have known better. There I have got it off my chest.

Frank

Moderators. This post has been attributed to me. I think it is from Frank Binding. May I add that he has valid points but i don't wish this post to be attributed to me.

CCR

[bent65]

[quote=Bill Cutler;453]Gents -

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1) The Commission's position is that Replica's or Recreations are NOT welcome in Historics in Australia. For touring cars, there is no change to the policy that the provenance - the full line of ownership and history - should always be proven

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Bill, Are you able to post or quote the Commissions position regarding the full line of ownership and competition history , both prior to and after this CoD change? I thought originally the full line of ownership had to be unbroken and history 100% proven prior to the existance of a this tiered system?
Now that a 'qualified' CoD exists, accepting less than 100% proof, it appears this is a softening of the eligibility process and a definite change in position? I am of the understanding that the eligibilty process is now more about peoples (however accurate) opinion than about proven fact, with regard to dubious cars.
It may put people at ease if you could point out clearer that CAMS position hasnt changed , if indeed it hasnt? Does the Commission have a written position or guidelines for assessing a car outside what we can read in the CoD Application or Manual?
Sorry to quiz you Bill but you may be a position to set a few things straight for us.

[bent65]

Sorry to bang on but found this matrix on this link to the CAMS site. It shows that "cars with incomplete history" will be considered. Has this always been the case with Group C or is this a change in position.
I think the answer to this will be where the devil is. IN THE DETAIL!

http://www.cams.com.au/Sport/Histori...and%20COD.aspx

[Bill Cutler]

Thanks for the query, "bent65", sorry it's taken so long to reply, we had the HC meeting and CAMS Summit last weekend, and of course MCM before that..

The Qualified CoD will NOT be applied to Grp C and A touring cars.

The purpose of the qualified CoD is to allow cars such as Lola Sports 2000 or Formula Fords which were built by a recognised race car manufacturer in limited production runs. These cars were often raced in USA and parts of their competition or ownership history may be missing. However they are easily recognised as genuine cars from chassis numbers and factory production records. It is not always possible in some cases to fill in the gaps in the history, but it was felt that these cars should be allowed to race in their period category.

This doesn't apply to Grp C/A, where the fact that the provenance must be proven is still a requirement. The graded system will in fact only have two levels for us - the existing "standard" CoD and the Gold CoD. Grp C/A cars should already be in the exact period correct livery (for the specified event) and therefore should be eligible for upgrade from std to gold CoD, subject to Eligibility Committee approval.

The Commissioners and the chairmen of the eligibility committees have recently spent considerable time framing guidelines for the graded system for all cars, and particularly to cover the possible scenario's for new C/A applications. These guidelines will be published soon - as soon as they are finalised I'll post up the appropriate link...

Hope this helps

Cheers

Bill

[bent65]

Bill,
At this stage that sounds like great news! If what you say is correct then the qualification for groups C and A will again require that the provenance is 100% proven. It looks like all the hard work form our Committee members for the last however many years has been well worth it. Well done to those guys for having the puff to protect the cars and Association from being dilluted!! And I guess the people wanting the graded system for their categories can keep it. This is from what I understand what our committee has been seeking all along. A win for common sense?

Thanks Bill for your work also and communicating the position of CAMS.

Regards Ben.

[small bangers]

Yep, thanks Bill

[Chris Bowden]

Good on you Bill. That's great news. A relief actually.

OK...Forget what I said earlier; Everyone can re-insert their dodgy ID tags and logbooks right up their clackers again!